911ep equivalent flash patterns

[Lt. Dino]

Hey ELB-

I've been out of the loop for a while, but I'm back and have a new vehicle to light up. I've done some searching on the forums but can't find an answer. Since 911ep went kaput, does anyone make LED flashers with similar patterns? If you watch the YouTube video below, the very first pattern is the one I'd love to have. If you guys have any ideas, please let me know. Thanks!

 

[Mosser72]

I think the Star/SVP LED flasher has a fade pattern like that. I will find the part number

 

[Mosser72]

LDF369
35 flash patterns and it used to have one similar to that... I just don't recall if it was that fast...

 

[PanHandleStan]

Star pattern is slower. Heard 911EP might come back as a spin off

 

[got_yogurt]

Sound off is going to bring it back? Love the 911ep patterns, would pay a lot of money if someone would make a flasher with their patterns

 

[tsquale]

Sound off is going to bring it back?

Negative. They no longer have rights to the name, IIRC. Member "Mort" was one of 911ep's original employees and has recently talked about bringing the brand back with new ideas. I have yet to hear or see concrete plans of that though.

As for the patterns, I do believe they are trademarked or patented or some legal mumble jumble that makes them proprietary.

 

[got_yogurt]

Negative. They no longer have rights to the name, IIRC. Member "Mort" was one of 911ep's original employees and has recently talked about bringing the brand back with new ideas. I have yet to hear or see concrete plans of that though.

As for the patterns, I do believe they are trademarked or patented or some legal mumble jumble that makes them proprietary.

Ah gotcha thanks. Whom are the patterns proprietary to? If soundoff let the rights go to the name would they not have also released the rights to the flash patterns?

 

[PanHandleStan]

have a feeling sos just wanted the customers. they did absolutely nothing else with 911ep. Im sure everything went to the new guy. heard it will be rolled out slowly

 

[Ultimate D]

Negative. They no longer have rights to the name, IIRC. Member "Mort" was one of 911ep's original employees and has recently talked about bringing the brand back with new ideas. I have yet to hear or see concrete plans of that though.

As for the patterns, I do believe they are trademarked or patented or some legal mumble jumble that makes them proprietary.

I REALLY am hoping this comes to fruition soon.

Lt Dino, your best bet right now is to find you one of the TDWL sticks, or even the older sticks for that matter to achieve that particular pattern. That was one of the ones they kept through all of their product lines, except the Galaxy, TD, and the Stars I believe. All of the LS12, WL, and TDWL bars had it.

-Drew

 

[ERM]

What are you looking for specifically? The slow fade back and forth, or with the double flash as well?

When I say specifically, I do mean specifically as I have reviewed the flash pattern, frame by frame. The shutter speed of the camera used might be causing some frames to be missing, so the pattern doesn't dissect well in the video.

If you know who we are, then you'll know we can do what you're asking.

Tony

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

What are you looking for specifically? The slow fade back and forth, or with the double flash as well?

When I say specifically, I do mean specifically as I have reviewed the flash pattern, frame by frame. The shutter speed of the camera used might be causing some frames to be missing, so the pattern doesn't dissect well in the video.

If you know who we are, then you'll know we can do what you're asking.

Tony

TRIPLE ROTATOR FTW!!!!!!!

I can't find (will have to make a longer video) of the Triple Rotator pattern.

Starting @ 2:17

 

[Ultimate D]

TRIPLE ROTATOR FTW!!!!!!!

I can't find (will have to make a longer video) of the Triple Rotator pattern.

Starting @ 2:17

THIS!!!!!

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Another favorite pattern was the original LED Star pattern

 

[Mort]

Ah gotcha thanks. Whom are the patterns proprietary to? If soundoff let the rights go to the name would they not have also released the rights to the flash patterns?

Sound off never had the rights they had an agreement to use them. Armor Holdings which is now called Safariland Products, still owns the trademark and all those rights.

 

[Ultimate D]

All of 911ep stuff is guarded by patents making it not able to be replicated without permission. SOS never owned any of 911ep, just a marketing and sales agreement.

 

[got_yogurt]

Ah interesting. So we need to get safariland to get on it then

 

[Mort]

Ah interesting. So we need to get safariland to get on it then

I have been working with them for over a year and they are not interested in doing anything with that company. it is locked away soundly and will [probably remain there for years to come. They have already won Hugh amounts of money on companies infringing on their patents, not sure I would take them to task. I put in a lot of hours when I was there helping with legal to prepare for all of those lawsuits

 

[got_yogurt]

Ah that's lame... I wonder why they wouldn't just accept royalties to use some of the patterns. Don't all patents expire after 20 years? Must be getting close to that now

 

[Mort]

Ah that's lame... I wonder why they wouldn't just accept royalties to use some of the patterns. Don't all patents expire after 20 years? Must be getting close to that now

They are renewable and they did it in 2014. they are still being paid by several companies that they got settlements from and as long as they are owed money the patents will be enforce. they do expire but live longer when someone infringes on them and there are lawsuits from it. I am one of the original people in that company and I know who they sued and how much they got. Besides they are owned by BAE now so that even makes it worse because you are dealing with the UK to have conversation with them.

 

[Rusted413]

Another favorite pattern was the original LED Star pattern

Yes! Both the 911EP star pattern and their rotator patterns were amazing. To think that this was, what, 15 years ago? They really had some great products.

 

[dg0223]

How can anybody trademark a flash pattern? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm not saying any of you are lying, but that just doesn't make sense. For example, if I made an LED lightbar, the LED modules are going to have to be set to flash. Am I going to have to pay the first company to release an LED lightbar because I want my lightbar to flash?

I wonder if 911EP, or whoever they are now, had to pay all the other lightbar companies for replicating the flash rotating lightbars would make.

What a strange thing to be able to trademark, or own the rights to, a flash pattern.

 

[Mort]

First off it isn't a trademark on the pattern, the name they were called is trademarked. The flash patterns are very easy to PATENT. Sound Off did it with there headlight flasher. (they were the first to patent any flash patterns in the lighting industry) that Patent was about how many flashes per second the unit could do. Which I believe it was based on a 1.4 second rate. Patterns can be done the same way, Functionality is how they get patented. Don't believe it go to the US Trademark and Patent web site and look them up. If you want the flash patterns go for it, it will only cost you if you get caught, and chances of that are maybe slim. but you never know who is watching that stuff. When Armor Holdings sued everyone over the infringements, they had 5 people covering the country looking for product that was infringing.

 

[Mort]

To add to what I have already said and answer the question you posed, most lighting companies do not patent flash patterns, now. When we did it the LED market was brand new and we were first there so we protected everything we did, to help grow that market. If someone came up with a pattern that was unique, they may very well want to protect it so no one else can copy it. When doing bids for government depts. Spec writing comes down to what you have that NO ONE else can do. That is how you corner your share of business.